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Antonio Fernandez-Guerra (antonio@metagenomics.eu)
2020-09-23 20:00:57

this might be useful https://theodi.org/article/data-ethics-canvas/

theodi.org
👍 Åshild (Ash), Betsy Nelson, Pete Heintzman
Antonio Fernandez-Guerra (antonio@metagenomics.eu)
2020-09-24 07:44:01
Antonio Fernandez-Guerra (antonio@metagenomics.eu)
2020-09-24 11:25:05

another one: https://www.enrich-hub.org/bc-labels

👍 Anneke ter Schure, Åshild (Ash)
Antonio Fernandez-Guerra (antonio@metagenomics.eu)
2020-09-24 11:44:11

I am attending a working group for Omics/eDNA + Ethics + Data and will ask for some of the slides that I believe will be very useful

👍 Betsy Nelson
Åshild (Ash) (ashild.v@gmail.com)
2020-09-24 11:59:05

*Thread Reply:* That would be great! Thanks @Antonio Fernandez-Guerra!

Antonio Fernandez-Guerra (antonio@metagenomics.eu)
2020-09-24 12:03:32
ivelsko (velsko@shh.mpg.de)
2020-11-03 19:47:55

Hi @channel! Now that we’ve had some time to process everything we covered in SPAAM2 and can look at it from a broader perspective, I think it would be great to start drafting this open letter to the aDNA field on raw data sharing. Is anyone keen to take up the reigns and spearhead the initiative?

Does anyone have ideas that they’d like to offer as a starting point or framework for the letter? Even putting forward thoughts that have just been floating around would be a nice way to get this rolling

👍 Kelly Blevins
Kelly Blevins (blevinske1@gmail.com)
2020-11-06 00:48:03

*Thread Reply:* I have been thinking about a section on sharing archaeological/paleopathological/bioarchaeological metadata. I would like to emphasize the importance of sharing skeleton/sample IDs as given by the curating institution and including photographic record of sampling location for pathological lesions.

ivelsko (velsko@shh.mpg.de)
2020-11-09 08:46:25

*Thread Reply:* That sounds great! Would you start a shared google doc with that information to get things rolling? You can pin a link to the doc in this channel for easy access

👍 Kelly Blevins
Kelly Blevins (blevinske1@gmail.com)
2020-11-10 19:45:17

Hi, @channel! I created a Google Drive directory to store our #datasharing thoughts, things, and outline. Feel free to add things and put your thoughts in the google doc.

Open letter on data sharing

💃:skin_tone_4: Miriam Bravo
ivelsko (velsko@shh.mpg.de)
2020-11-10 19:53:53

*Thread Reply:* Awesome, thanks!

💀 Kelly Blevins
Betsy Nelson (nelson@shh.mpg.de)
2020-11-10 22:37:40

*Thread Reply:* I currently have a manuscript draft that covers aspects of data sharing that might come up in the letter so I am going to wait a bit to access the Google Doc. Looking forward to joining in ASAP.

Nico Rascovan (nicorasco@gmail.com)
2021-09-23 19:31:27

Hello everyone

Nico Rascovan (nicorasco@gmail.com)
2021-09-23 19:34:24

I was wondering if any of you have already some good metagenomic datasets from the following sources:

  1. Modern oral microbiomes
  2. Ancient oral microbiomes with a very good and neat oral microbiome signature
  3. Soils and sediments (i.e., potential environmental contaminants in an ancient oral microbiome)
  4. Skin Microbiomes
Nico Rascovan (nicorasco@gmail.com)
2021-09-23 19:35:01

These are for @Camila Duitama who is running some source tracking analyses and needs the best possible standards for each of these 4 sources

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Nico Rascovan (nicorasco@gmail.com)
2021-09-23 19:36:07

Maybe @James Fellows Yates, @irinavelsko, @Sterling Wright, etc.?

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2021-09-23 19:36:12

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James Fellows Yates (james_fellows_yates@eva.mpg.de)
2021-09-23 20:36:18

Ooofff that's a hard one

James Fellows Yates (james_fellows_yates@eva.mpg.de)
2021-09-23 20:36:25

You can try the ones i had in my paper

James Fellows Yates (james_fellows_yates@eva.mpg.de)
2021-09-23 20:36:32

But they are all quite hard

James Fellows Yates (james_fellows_yates@eva.mpg.de)
2021-09-23 20:39:13
  1. What do you mean by oral? Buccal? Saliva? Tongue?
  2. Check the Dir ;)
  3. Also a difficult one because so many modern soil samples involve treatments. But there are also sediment stuff of various contexts in the Dir. But saying what are potential contaminants or not is very hard to say. We don't know what does contaminate consistently, and it's probably context dependent
  4. In my PNAS paper I used some palm swab samples iirc
James Fellows Yates (james_fellows_yates@eva.mpg.de)
2021-09-23 20:40:18

Well overall you could look at the PNAS paper, i used samples from all those categories in one way or another, but I can't guarantee they are 'good'. They are just what I could find 3 years ago and seem ed reasonable at the time (and took a LONG time to find)

Nico Rascovan (nicorasco@gmail.com)
2021-09-23 22:26:17

Answers:

  1. Whatever that will help you assess whether an ancient metagenome has a clear oral microbiome signature
  2. Camila has already downloaded most if not all ancient metagenomes of interest from the Dir. That was the first thing she did,…because the Dir is sooo good!
  3. Yes, sure, there is not universal contaminants. She is just using some soil datasets. I think adding some sediments from the Dir will be a good idea.
  4. Ok, great. I actually think I gave her those from your PNAS to download for this purpose… heheh
James Fellows Yates (james_fellows_yates@eva.mpg.de)
2021-09-24 09:31:29
  1. you could either use plaque which sort of works, or actual modern calculus samples (there are the JAE samples in @irinavelsko’s paper in Microbiome, and the VLC ones in the PNAS one. I used modern plaque from HMP in my case.
  2. 👍
  3. I think that would be the ideal, as at least shallow sediments would more likely reflect burial environments (depending on the contex tof your samples), and also anicent ecologists do less wierd shit 😬 . Although on the otherhand a lot of the sampels IIRC (@Pete Heintzman might know) in the Dir' are like lake sediments which might not be the best
👍 Camila Duitama
Nico Rascovan (nicorasco@gmail.com)
2021-09-28 17:33:34

*Thread Reply:* What does IIRC stand for?

James Fellows Yates (james_fellows_yates@eva.mpg.de)
2021-09-28 18:27:13

*Thread Reply:* If I remember correctly

Nico Rascovan (nicorasco@gmail.com)
2021-09-28 18:46:38

*Thread Reply:* eh?

James Fellows Yates (james_fellows_yates@eva.mpg.de)
2021-09-28 19:59:23

*Thread Reply:* IIRC

If I Remember correctly

Nico Rascovan (nicorasco@gmail.com)
2021-09-28 21:17:39

*Thread Reply:* HAHAHAHA!

Nico Rascovan (nicorasco@gmail.com)
2021-09-28 21:17:55

*Thread Reply:* 😅😨

Nico Rascovan (nicorasco@gmail.com)
2021-09-28 21:19:26

*Thread Reply:* excuse my poor acronymglish

James Fellows Yates (james_fellows_yates@eva.mpg.de)
2021-09-24 09:31:42

Ultimately: there is no easy answer or dataset. But it would be cool if someone made one 😉

Nico Rascovan (nicorasco@gmail.com)
2021-09-24 10:08:51

Awesome James! Thanks a lot, once again!

Camila Duitama (camiladuitama@gmail.com)
2021-09-25 09:47:16

Great! Thanks @James Fellows Yates

👍 James Fellows Yates
Sterling Wright (sterlingwright2016@utexas.edu)
2023-06-14 17:50:53

Could anyone share with me the HOPS database?

James Fellows Yates (james_fellows_yates@eva.mpg.de)
2023-06-14 18:24:00

*Thread Reply:* What exactly do you mean by the HOPS 'database'?

Sterling Wright (sterlingwright2016@utexas.edu)
2023-06-14 18:47:49

*Thread Reply:* Sorry the one mentioned in this paper: https://genomebiology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13059-019-1903-0. At the end, it says "HOPS database is available upon request."

BioMed Central
James Fellows Yates (james_fellows_yates@eva.mpg.de)
2023-06-14 18:50:08

*Thread Reply:* Ah, you'll need to email Alexander Herbig for that

Sterling Wright (sterlingwright2016@utexas.edu)
2023-06-14 18:50:36

*Thread Reply:* Will do. Thanks.

James Fellows Yates (james_fellows_yates@eva.mpg.de)
2023-06-14 18:51:12

*Thread Reply:* Because there isn't actually a specific database for hops just the one they used for that paper (it's basically any malt database, they just used a specific set of genomes in that one)

👍 Sterling Wright
Ophélie Lebrasseur (ophelie.lebrasseur@liverpool.ac.uk)
2023-06-21 09:10:33

*Thread Reply:* Hello @Sterling Wright, My message may come too late, but in case this is still useful, I was asked to use that database as well, and my colleague and I found the following in the HOPS github: https://github.com/rhuebler/HOPS/blob/external/Resources/default_list.txt

Sterling Wright (sterlingwright2016@utexas.edu)
2023-06-22 00:21:24

*Thread Reply:* Thank you!